Interesting that Ike's passing seemed to evoke more talk round these parts than Karlheinz's.

My tribute to Mr. Rocket 88 here.

Which just proves I guess what the little ladies have been saying all along about Bags being basically another musico-mysoginist boys club? ;)

The thing is, the magic and the troubling stuff can't be separated. Ike Turner's fierceness was rooted in brutality: a childhood that included witnessing his father's lynching and an adulthood as part of a "hard" music culture in which male leaders whipped their bands into shape and might also slap their wives around. The same cycle of pain and survival informs today's hyper-macho hip-hop artists, some of whom emulate Turner's icy-suave style. - Ann Powers, LA Times, December 14, 2007

This thread would be woefully incomplete without a link to the New York Post's Ike-obit headline, which made me laugh out loud.

Er, it wouldn't be wise or accurate to conflate (or even associate) my support of Ike's music with any sort of misogyny. I think it's clear in my posts, but Mr.Djll might have missed that. I hope that wasn't yr implication anyway...

The fact that Ike's getting more play here than Karlheinz could just be because Stock's late works were not of much interest to some of us (plus those damn CDs of his were ridiculously overpriced), so he was kind of 'gone' already.... I dunno. In any case, he was hardly the most liberated male in terms of his treatment of women from what I can gather.

But I don't wanna open a whole can of worms on these guys' personal lives. What I am more curious to find out is if there will ever be proper CD reissues of Stockhausen's great works, most of which are out of print or collector-expensive. Donald Miller's got most of that stuff, so I'm fortunate to have access to hearing it, but when I went looking for Stockhausen CD's on Amazon the ones currently available are mostly in his dribbly new-age mode.

But then i probably shoulda posted this on the Stock' thread. There i go again....

Rob: Just having a laugh on you, mate. My insatiable guilty pleasure is for impersonating hand-wringing PC policepersons. I once got in an slight discussion with an earnest Mills College coed over Carl Ruggles and his anti-Semitism. Asked her if she would please stop driving her car around because like Carl, Henry Ford was a Jew-hater too, and she went away to get another drink.

I suppose that a diligent grad student could sift through the various subtexts of "Gesang der Junglinge" and "Stimmung" (among many others) and root out the insidious misogyny at the heart of Karlheinz' compositions, too. After all, as we now know, he was mortal, not a god.

ah yes, i catch ya now - especially keeping in mind that yr in the bay area. we don't have quite as many of those pc-types down here in the swamp, so my humor sensors weren't reading you right (gotta clear the humidity and cypress moss off 'em, etc.). Lot of new earnest helpers moved here post-K, but most of 'em seem to have learned to roll with the indelicate humor which is characteristic down here. Either that or they get scared off...

ah yes, i catch ya now - especially keeping in mind that yr in the bay area. we don't have quite as many of those pc-types down here in the swamp, so my humor sensors weren't reading you right (gotta clear the humidity and cypress moss off 'em, etc.). Lot of new earnest helpers moved here post-K, but most of 'em seem to have learned to roll with the indelicate humor which is characteristic down here. Either that or they get scared off...